HO Brass UP 4-8-4

This engine is For Sale.
If you are interested contact me.

Can you help me identify the importer and or manufacturer of this engine?

Please contact me with information or questions at

Bob Schrempp
 bschrempp@alumni.calpoly.edu

  • It is an HO Brass UP 4-8-4 Northern.
  • The engine and tender are in separate boxes.
  • The boxes are brown cardboard.
  • Stamped in black ink (like with a rubber stamp) on the ends of the boxes is "U.P.4-8-4 LOCO." Additionally on the tender box is stamped "TENDE".
  • The boxes look to have the original packing material in them. In the bottom is a piece of 1/8 inch ply wood and some "felt" padding.
  • It has smoke deflectors on the engine. There is a second set of smoke deflectors in the box with more rivet detail.
  • I can not find any identifying marks on the engine, I might not know where to look. Not even the word "Japan".
  • It is undecorated.
  • The tender is a "centipede" type oil tender.
  • There is not any detailing in the cab.

What Others have been telling me:

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UP 4-8-4 Left Side

Left Side

 UP 4-8-4 Right Side

Right Side

 UP 4-8-4 Top View

Top
UP 4-8-4 Engine Left Side

Engine Left Side

 UP 4-8-4 Engine Right Side

Engine Right Side

 UP 4-8-4 Engine Bottom-TN.jpg

Engine Bottom
UP 4-8-4 Tender Left Side-TN.jpg

Tender Left Side

 UP 4-8-4 Tender Right Side

Tender Right Side

 UP 4-8-4 Tender Bottom

Tender Bottom
UP 4-8-4 Engine Back Left Quarter

Engine Back Left Quarter

 UP 4-8-4 Engine Right Front Quarter A

Engine Right Front Quarter A

 UP 4-8-4 Engine Right Front Quarter B

Engine Right Front Quarter B
UP 4-8-4 Engine Front A

Engine Front A

UP 4-8-4 Engine Front B

Engine Front B

UP 4-8-4 Engine Cab

Engine Cab

 
UP 4-8-4 Smoke Defelectors Extra Set

Smoke Deflectors Extra Set

There is an extra set of smoke deflectors. The ones installed on the engine are soldered in place, these were made to "clip on".

 

 UP 4-8-4 Pilot Bottom

Pilot Bottom

The only number I can find is on the underside of the pilot, this looks more like a part number for the pilot. I think it is 2914.

 UP 4-8-4 Front Truck

Front Truck
UP 4-8-4 Engine Body Bottom

Engine Body Bottom.

 UP 4-8-4 Engine Body Inside Detail

Engine Body Inside Detail

It is obvious where extra material was removed from the joint between the fire box and the boiler so that the motor would fit.

UP 4-8-4 Engine Frame

Engine Frame
UP 4-8-4 Box

Box

Here is a view of the boxes.

 UP 4-8-4 Box End

Box End

The information is "stamped" on the in black ink.

 UP 4-8-4 Box Packing Material

Box Packing Material

The "original" packing material?
See the engine in motion in this Quick Time Movie, 3.3 Meg. You might have to download this file to get it to play correctly.

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Details That Might Help Identify It:

The front Pilot - The front pilot has what looks like a part number of the bottom of it.

The way the body hooks onto the frame, one bolt through the front truck and two bolts into the frame from the back under the cab. Not up from the bottom. See the Engine Cab image.

The bolt on the front truck. This seems interesting to me. It is not just a bolt. This is a "double" ended bolt with a raised area in the middle. The raised area holds the frame to the body and holds the spring onto the assembly. There is a nut on the bottom that holds the truck to the bolt.

The story of how I got this model:

A number of years ago a fellow modeler was helping a widow sell off some of her late husband's collection. My understanding is that he owned a model train store. She sold the store off with all the stock. He had a number of pieces at home that she felt were special so she did not include them in the store stock, she wanted them to go to someone who would appreciate them. She contacted a family fiend and he went about selling the pieces off for her. So one night he showed up at the layout I was regularly going to and I picked up this Brass UP 4-8-4. It is brand new and in the original boxes.

I recently picked up a copy of the Brown Book but can not identify the manufacturer. The front of the book talks about different boxes used at different time importers. This box is not described in the front section of the book.